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University of Minnesota
January 13, 2012
Novelist, poet, and essayist Charles Baxter is the Edelstein-Keller Professor of Writing at the University of Minnesota.
Fiction writer Charles Baxter talks about writing and life
By Deane Morrison
Miss Ferenczi, a substitute teacher, begins a stint by ditching a boring lesson on traditional Egyptian irrigation methods and winging it.
Her amazed class of fourth graders is left to sift through the torrent of information she spews and figure out what might be true.
So it goes in "Gryphon," the title story in English professor Charles Baxter's latest book, a collection of stories the New York Times named to its "100 Notable Books of 2011" list in November. "Gryphon: New and Selected Stories" is published by Pantheon Books.
Baxter has published five novels, five collections of short stories, three of poems, and two of essays. His novel "The Feast of Love" was made into a 2007 movie with Morgan Freeman, and "Gryphon" became a TV movie starring Amanda Plummer.
Unspoiled by success, Baxter, a Minneapolis native, is a soft-spoken teacher whose greatest joy now is seeing his students do well. We sat down with him in his Lind Hall office to get his take on writing, life, and how to put one into the other.
Q: What does it take to be a writer? Can one learn to conceive ideas?
A: You can learn everything about it but the inspiration. I can teach you how to set up scenes, the basis of plot, narrative urgency, and so on, but I can't tell you what to write about.
Instead of "an idea," I'd say you need to be able to imagine, and want to imagine, what people do when things begin to go wrong. Writers tend to be good observers of what people do when they're under great pressure.
I think stories begin when things start to go wrong. They're about conflict and the difficulties people have. People will ask, "Why can't we write about good things?" And I say, "Do you know any stories like that?" Genesis is not about the Garden of Eden; it's about being thrown out of the Garden of Eden.
From the book jacket
"Like Raymond Carver, Baxter has become a master of articulating the quiet confusion of despair, and of subtly suggesting that despair may, at times, be redemptive."—Ann Beattie
"Charles Baxter's stories have reminded me of how broad and deep and shining a story can be."—Alice Munro
Q: One definition of conflict is "when somebody wants something and doesn't have it." Do you agree?
A: Yes, but I have a corollary: It's also when people fear something. For conflict, you must have people who want something, and they go toward what they want, or people who fear something, and they try to get away from what they fear. You can't have people lying in a hammock not knowing what they want. Often, writers in their teens or twenties don't know what they want, and so neither do their characters.
Q: How do you feel about the standard linear, narrative form of the novel?
A: I don't think the standard narrative is true to the way we feel our experiences. Our lives don't feel like a straight line. Mine doesn't; it feels to me as though experiences come in clusters, and I want my fiction to reflect that. I also want to give my students lots of the options available to them.
Q: In your novel "Saul and Patsy," you treat the subject of people watching other people and wanting to be as happy as they are. Can you expand on that?
A: Saul [a young husband and father] keeps thinking all the people around him are so happy, but of course he's like them. My own feeling is that we're almost taught to envy people who have a lot of money and are successful. Why should we always want to be like those people? Great fictional characters are often great noble failures, like Don Quixote.
Q: Do you start your stories with plot or character?
A: I start with character and a general idea of where the narrative will go. I don't outline; it takes the fun out of it. I just want to discover what the characters do as I write the book. Writing is an art of discovery. Who is she? I want to know more about this person.
Q: What are you working on now?
A: A group of stories based on certain virtues. So far, I've finished loyalty, bravery, and chastity. When I'm finished, I'll do a series on vices.
Q: Where did the idea for "Gryphon" come from?
A: I was Miss Ferenczi once, when I taught in the Michigan public schools. We were supposed to be doing Egyptian geography and methods of irrigation and I didn't want to read the textbook, so I made all sorts of stuff up.